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Uranium Weapons - Does anyone care about our planet?

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012209mediterraneanseaUSA, July 29, 2009 (Pal Telegraph)- Our planet is truly a wonderful place but under the umbrella, that we call our atmosphere, lies a cocktail of uranium aerosols waiting to claim its next victim. Many countries donate to this contamination such as the US, UK, Israel, NATO member states, China and Russia etc

 

Why would the UN, WHO, US, UK, NATO and IDF allow this to happen and why do they continue manufacturing and using weapons containing uranium? The answer came from the Belgium Foreign Minister when he was asked if it was possible to prohibit DU, he replied "We can't do it, because NATO and the UN aren't encouraging it". The Belgian Parliament overturned the reluctance of the Foreign Minister and the Minister of Defence by voting unanimously to prohibit DU ammunition from the 20th of June 2009. One would never have imagined that Belgium, the heart of NATO, would have made such a bold move.


A conference took place in Sweden: INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF WAR - The examples of Agent Orange and Depleted Uranium - Stockholm • 23-24 April 2004 in which various experts gave speeches, two of those being Doug Rokke and Tedd Weyman.
Dr Douglas L. Rokke, Ph.D. Former Head of U.S. Army Radiological Laboratory and Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project, U.S. Army major (retired), and former Assistant Professor of Environmental Science at Jacksonville State University, Florida, USA. During an interview with John Pilger, Doug gave a summary of his work experience: "Prior to the Gulf War, I was responsibility for the training and educating of all the medical professionals and combat soldiers on the effects of nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare. More importantly what type of medical care and treatment was required and what decontamination is needed for those that may be injured or wounded during the war".

After the ground war he was tasked as a health physicist responsible for cleaning up the depleted uranium or uranium 238 contamination. Doug once stated that in regard to the uranium 238 contamination the only warning we had was a single letter that came from the Surgeon General's office in the United States army. And that said, "Think about DU, and this uranium contamination".
He went on to say "As we found out after the ground war - not only didn't we know anything about it, how to handle it, how to dispose of it, how to clean it up, what medical care to be given - nobody did - they just didn't tell anybody. Whether it be British Canadian German or US forces. They just didn't tell anybody"

John Pilger asked him the following question during that interview: What do you estimate the effect on people living in that part of the world, living in southern Iraq? Doug's response: "The effect depends on whether a person inhaled it, got some of it eating it or drinking it, or if they got the uranium contamination into an open wound. If they did then - dependent upon the amount that they had - what we're seeing now are respiratory problems, breathing problems, kidney problems, and cancers. We have individuals of our team that were actually known exposed and they have died of cancer. We have other individuals right now that have cancer. We have rashes, neurological problems. A lot of people - and again this is out of the whole complex toxic battlefield where DU contributes - lost fine motor function, individuals have neural psychology problems, short term memory losses. The uranium is a heavy metal poison and also a radiological poison, so we have to look at a conglomeration of potential health effects that then mix with other causes to create serious problems".

John then asked the inevitable question: "Tell me what you think the effect on the civilian population of Iraq will be. You see, when I was in Iraq there appeared to be an epidemic of cancer but they don't have any scientific studies to measure what their estimates are. Could you just comment generally on that?

Doug's final response revealed a rather grim outlook when he said "Numerous times, at various meetings and conferences, the Iraqis have asked for the medical treatment protocols. They've asked for the environmental clean-up protocols which the US Department of Defence and the British Ministry of Defence have refused to do repeatedly. With the extent of the contamination in Basra and all over Iraq where the DU was fired by the tanks and by the aircraft - over 300 tons - there's no doubt in my mind that, because that lasts forever unless it's been physically removed, that any woman or child, any soldier, any non-combatant, anybody that comes in the area that it gets into their body is going to have medical problems. The overall effects are the fact that we used a weapon that's indiscriminate for eternity and therefore unless the environmental clean up is totally completed and the medical care is provided, the effects are permanent and lasting forever and ever and ever. That's wrong"

Tedd Weyman, Deputy Director - Research Scientist at Uranium Medical Research Centre in Toronto, Canada and Field Team Leader for Afghanistan and Iraq. Tedd led teams into Afghanistan and Iraq to collect biological and environmental samples for laboratory study, to survey radioactivity levels and measure the scope of uranium weapons' contamination. He interviews civilians to document health and conflict histories and cross reference with the laboratory studies of samples taken from bombsites, battlefields and wider-area environments of affected communities. Tedd's fieldwork has resulted in himself becoming contaminated by Depleted Uranium during his last field trip in Iraq.

On the 10th of August 2004, Tedd published a report Titled: The US and UK deploy new uranium weapons contaminating Iraq's environment, civilians and the Coalition's own troops. As we have already found out from Doug Rokke his findings were equally as disturbing:

The recent Iraqi field samples collected by UMRC were analysed by plasma mass spectrometer by Dr Axel Gerdes, Institute of Petrology and Geochemistry, JW Goethe University, Frankfurt. The human and environmental samples have been found to contain Depleted Uranium and abnormally high levels of the artificial transuranic isotope, 236U. The isotope composition of Depleted Uranium found in civilians as well as in surface soils and water courses shows the weapons used in Iraq were manufactured from two and perhaps three different metallurgical sources (stockpiles of uranium metals). The soil and water samples indicate DU was deployed in both mechanized battlefields and urban neighbourhoods where aerial bombing took place.

The purity and quantities (abundances) of the Depleted Uranium found in the samples of soils taken from US- and UK-led battlefields are some of the highest levels published since UMRC and others began independent investigations into the use of radioactive dispersion weapons in 1991 following Operation Desert Storm. The abundances of uranium in water samples taken from a fresh water supply tank and from a run-off catch basin in Al Basra are much higher than published results for DU levels in water samples attributed to the by-products of uranium weapons in either the Balkans or Iraq.

Biological samples taken from Iraqi civilians present during the Shock and Awe bombing campaign against downtown Baghdad and its government and telecommunications facilities are positive for Depleted Uranium. It is not possible to know the source of inner-city civilian contamination as virtually the entire city is contaminated. Unlike biological and environmental samples collected in Afghanistan, Operation Enduring Freedom, the team did not find deposits of Non Depleted Uranium. A biological sample taken from one Al Basra citizen, who was exposed to the urban bombing campaign in that city, has an unusual composition of isotopes showing an enriched, as opposed to a depleted or natural, ratio of 235U/238U. The enriched uranium was found in a person exposed to and living adjacent to the same battlefield led by the British Desert Rats, south of Al Basra.

According to the DUOB (Depleted Uranium Oversight Board) of the UK Ministry of Defence, urine samples taken from members of the UK 1st Armoured Division that fought the approach to Al Basra and occupied the city are excreting non-depleted uranium several hundreds of times the British biological norm. Smaller total uranium levels positive for DU have also been identified by the MOD in the UK forces that served in the Az Zubair - Basra - Shat Al Arabi area.

The next question is what has all this got to do with Lebanon and Gaza? The answer is simple...both locations have succumbed to the same fate.

We have significant proof from the battle fields of the Balkans, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan on the use of weapons containing uranium. In all cases test on victims and on recovered samples have confirmed either depleted uranium or traces of enriched uranium.

With this knowledge on hand samples have since been taken and received from Lebanon (2006) and Gaza 2008/9. The samples have both been tested at the famous British Harwell Laboratory revealing not only DU but also traces of enriched Uranium, indicating the possible use of fourth generation weaponry. It is interesting to note that similar findings have been made in both Iraq and Afghanistan. As we have seen the health impact on military forces and innocent civilians remains the same in all of the above theatres of war and in that context we can expect the same trend in Lebanon and Gaza. Based on the fact that DU aerosols do not respect international border one can also assume this problem has extended across the borders to Syria, Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Egypt, the entire Middle East and beyond.

In order to better understand the seriousness of using uranium based weapons we must first appreciate the fact that its usage has been alarmingly excessive. We have to learn to identify the appearance and structure of such explosions compared to conventional weapon, how these toxic aerosols move around the globe, how they have the ability to travel long distances (sometimes return to their point of origin before moving on) and finally the health hazards associated with these terrible weapons. Because of the complexity of all the above factors I intend to print these articles in parts (this being Part 1).

First we must look at some photographic evidence of past and current weapons that contain uranium. These photographs have been analysed by an expert to confirm their authenticity. I have given three examples one in Lebanon and two in Gaza, the latter in actual fact was a multiple weapons attack.

beirutThis attack was carried out in Beirut which is densely populated. If one can imagine that with a sea breeze it spreads over a large area of the city and beyond. Once it gets into the upper atmosphere it diverts off in all directions, sometimes as very high speed. Extensive bombing also took place at Khiam very close to the Israeli border and the contamination from these explosions extended over the entire Northern Israel region within one hour. This was followed by rain which caused the DU aerosol to return to earth and contaminate the land, crops and water supply


BombThis particular cluster of 4 bombs shows two bombs exploding on initial impact and two more in transit. If you look to the right of the picture you can see the distant devastation. On analysing the sea conditions the sea breeze was strong and the fact that the photographer was standing on the Israeli border would mean that the contamination from these series of bombs would cross the border into Israel within minutes. This would then contaminate Central & Southern Israel.

 

3191520483_fe808540fbI have also included this night time photograph of a DU explosion in Gaza which shows the typical sparkling effect. DU is pyrophoric and ignites spontaneously.


To conclude this first part I thought it would be relevant to publish some information from European experts.

The use of Depleted Uranium (DU) was condemned in 2000 by experts from Germany namely Prof. Dr. Albrecht Schott and Prof. Dr Siegwart Horst Gunther. In their submission to phohibit DU they stated - Given the known chemical and radioiogical toxicity of depleted uranium and its compounds causes damage to humans, animals and the ecological cycle, of which there is conclusive evidence we demand that the military and civilian use of depleted uranium (DU) be banned. "The preservation of creation and the dignity of humankind forbid the use of DU. The Invasion of DU, and the compounds produced by its self-ignition due to heat, into the soil and water cycle of Iiving communities, and the environment we live in, make them uninhabitable for thousands of years (the half-life of uranium is 4.5 billion years; uranium forms long-term radiologically dangerous decay products) ".

Legal references were made in this submission as follows: The military use of DU violates current international humanitarian law, including the principle that there is no unlimited right to choose the means and methods of warfare (Art. 22 Hague Convention VI (HCIV); Art. 35 of the Additional Protocol to the Geneva Convention (GP1); the ban on causing unnecessary suffering and superfluous injury (Art. 23 §le HCIV; Art. 35 §2 GP1), indiscriminate warfare (Art. 51 §4c and 5b GPI) as well as the use of poison or poisoned weapons). The deployment and use of DU violate the principles of international environmental and human rights protection. They contradict the right to life established by the Resolution 1996/16 of the UN Subcommittee on Human Rights. Wo demand the following individual points:

1. A ban an the use, development, production, transport, storage and possession of DU weapons and DU armour-plating, as well as all other military uses of DU.

2. Medical treatment of all victims of DU, in particular children.

3. Destruction of all DU weapons and means of its deployment and secure storage of the uranium in a stable chemical compound.

4. A ban an the civilian use of DU because of accidental future, past or present exposure fo uranium or its compounds.

5. Decontamination of all military and civilian equipment contaminated by DU.

6. Decontamination of all territory contaminated by DU. This not only means theatres of war but also military practice ranges and other areas where DU has been deployed.

7. Conversion of the global stocks of DU in the form of Uranium Hexafluoride, approx. 2-3 million tons, from its presently insufficiently stable form into a stable Uranium Oxide and safe deposition.

8. Punishment of the military use of DU as a war crime (in accordance with Art. 85 §3b GP1; Art. 6b IMT Statute; Art. 2c, 3a and b ICTY Statute; Art. 8 §2b Statute of Rome).

9. Eradication of consequential damage caused by DU use according to customary liability principles in international (humanitarian) law.

10. Creation of a centre for the worldwide documentation of all DU contaminated regions, in particular theatres of war, military practice ranges, scenes of accidents, etc., and to study the DU problem.

US Expert Leuren Moret in her article: DEPLETED URANIUM
THE TROJAN HORSE OF NUCLEAR WAR (8 July 2004) gives a full account of all the issues relating to DU. Lauren's contribution in the fight against DU is exemplary and I urge you all to read the above article in full as well as many other articles she has produced. In the above article she makes reference to the following:

ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

Four reasons why using depleted uranium weapons violates the UN Convention on Human Rights:
LEGALITY TEST FOR WEAPONS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

TEMPORAL TEST - Weapons must not continue to act after the battle is over.

ENVIRONMENTAL TEST - Weapons must not be unduly harmful to the environment.

TERRITORIAL TEST - Weapons must not act off of the battlefield.

HUMANENESS TEST - Weapons must not kill or wound inhumanly.

In 2002 British expert Dr Chris Busy PhD produced a report: Review of the Home Office statement on the health consequences of exposure to depleted uranium in Kosovo. Dr Busby was critical of the Home Office in regard to their comments:

• The studies undertaken on DU in Kosovo have not detected any significant levels of DU.

• Studies have not shown any significant risk to the health of the population of the province from the presence of DU.

In his response he stated - I will demonstrate that both of these statements are incorrect and that the DoD document and its conclusions are unsafe. I will argue that this is because of bias, over interpretation of research and omission of relevant evidence. I will direct attention to evidence which shows that there is a significant health risk associated with living in areas contaminated by DU including recent evidence not available to the authors of the DoD report or the HO memorandum.

Many experts throughout the world agree with Dr Busy and believe that the current model used by the nuclear industry and the military is outdated and is not suitable for testing victims that have been exposed to low level radiation (LLR) such as DU. The ICRP90 model draws comparison on the effects of high level doses of radiation on victims from the A bomb attacks in Japan during WW2. Many experts have challenged this method by saying that this model averaged out radiation of the whole body or organ. These survivors had been irradiated with an acute, large, external dose in which the effects were uniform over the whole body. It is evident that LLR (such as DU) that has been absorbed, ingested and more importantly inhaled has become a major threat to human health and therefore the above model is unacceptable

Dr Busby reported - The view that this approach was wrong was developed independently by scientists from different countries, and is now located, among other places, in the model of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR). Dr Busby was also the founder member of this Committee on Radiation Risk from Internal Emitters (CERRIE) which is an independent expert deliberative committee jointly funded by the UK's Department of Health and DEFRA.

Dr Busby reflected on his own experience in his report - I have personally visited two countries where DU has been used, Iraq and Kosovo with scientific measuring equipment and I collected samples for analysis. I found elevated levels of radioactivity in both countries without great difficulty and also took samples which were subsequently analysed in the UK by two independent laboratories. Both found DU in the samples from Kosovo so I find it hard to believe that all these groups found no evidence of DU, or at minimum, only DU near the target.

His report also revealed some interesting observations - The most significant problem is that DU is an alpha and beta emitter, the latter because of its radioactive decay product isotopes, Thorium-234 and Protoactinium-234, which are not mentioned in the DoD report. The range in air of alpha particles is a few centimetres, and they are easily stopped by a film of water. Beta particles have a range of up to a metre but will not penetrate a Geiger counter window. This means that a normal Geiger Counter will not register the radioactivity from DU.

It was further on in his report that he made the following conclusion - There is evidence of widespread contamination by DU in the form of particles. I have some of these particles in dust samples from Gjakove, Kosovo collected more than a year after the shells were fired. They are in my laboratory, so for me, there is no argument on this matter. I can show you them. The dust had collected on a road beneath where a snowdrift had collected and melted, and the isotopic ratio of daughter Thorium-234 to parent Uranium-238 showed that the Uranium was being re-suspended in the air. Children were playing nearby: there were no wrecked tanks or bullet holes in the road. Beta radiation levels were about 11 times background, and the concentration of Uranium in the dust about 4000Bq/kg 200 times the background level of about 20Bq/kg.

Was this material ending up inside the people who live nearby? To make this question more immediate, I could bring my radioactive DU particle to where you sit reading this report and blow it at you. Would you take the position of the DoD and the other learned bodies that there was no danger, or would you dive for cover, holding your breath? When I visited Iraq and Kosovo, I wore full respiratory protection and so did the TV camera crews who accompanied me.

On the issues of respiratory protection it was interesting to read a letter sent from Leuren Moret to Congressman Mc Dermott on the 21st of February 2003 which touched on the subject of current respiratory masks. It revealed that aerosol particles in the 0 .1 micron range would pass through the filter. Leuren letter also contained some other interesting information

It must be clearly understand that back in 1943 nuclear experts were discussing the advantages of using fine dust as a weapon. One such document was issued on the 30th of October 1943 which quoted "." It is recommended that a decision be obtained from competent authority authorizing additional work pertaining to the use of radioactive materials in order that this country may be ready to use such materials or be ready to defend itself against the use of such materials". This same document contained information as follows:

As a gas warfare instrument the material would be ground into particles of microscopic size to form dust and smoke and distributed by a ground-fired projectile, land vehicles, or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. The amount necessary to cause death to a person inhaling the material is extremely small. It has been estimated that one millionth of a gram accumulating in a person's body would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such a casualty.

Two factors appear to increase the effectiveness of radioactive dust or smoke as a weapon. These are: (1) It cannot be detected by the senses; (2) It can be distributed in a dust or smoke form so finely powdered that it will permeate a standard gas mask filter in quantities large enough to be extremely damaging.  This document gave the background to today's weapons that are not only highly effective in there ability to penetration deep into the target but also the pyrophoric qualities of this product allows it to ignite spontaneously and create a huge cloud of fine DU dust that becomes a lethal airborne aerosol.

Secret_Doc_1

Part of an attachment in Leuren Moret's letter to Congressman Mc Dermott

 

For almost 40 years we have all been let down a path of total deception by the US Government, US Department of Defense, US Military and the Nuclear Industry. This deception later extended to the US Institute of Medicine, UN (especially the UNEP), WHO, NATO and their respective Governments and many other institutions that all failed in their duty of care for our planet and its inhabitants.

An example of the type of control/pressure that was applied to such people as Dr Doug Rokke is revealed in the contents of a letter, referred to as the famous Los Alamos memorandum, its wording are very clear "Thou shalt write you're after-action report such that they do not reveal the health and environmental consequence of uranium munitions because they will become politically unacceptable." [That's] a direct order.

It was also interesting at this time that Doug received another order from the Defense Nuclear Agency*, written by Col. Gregory Lyle. And Greg Lyle said, "is not only DU a health risk," he said, "it's a serious health concern." Col. Lyle, at that time, worked for Col. Yasaf Durokovic. Now, you people who hear about Yasaf Durokovich, a doctor, uranium medical research program. But they failed to tell you that he was the U.S. Army's top doctor in this stuff until he blew the whistle. You have to understand, he was the army's expert-a physician, a Ph.D. M.D. physician-until he blew the whistle.

We must all understand that although the issue of DU only surfaced as a result of the accident in Camp Doha, Kuwait on the 11th July 1991, its usage was tested in the Gulf during the War in Kuwait which started on the 2nd August 1990 and finished on the 28th February 1991. The preparation and stockpiling of these weapons were already underway in readiness for a planned attack on Iraq. As we know by now this was delayed as the US could not justify or find an excuse to attack Iraq at the time. The final answer came with 9/11 and the concoction of the WMD stories etc.

The War in the Balkans involved US, UK and other NATO forces and resulted in the extensive use of DU weaponry during the period 22nd March 1999 and 10th June 1999. The contamination of the Middle East started back in 1973. It was during the conflict between Israel and Egypt that DU was first put to the test. Israel was provided with DU weaponry by the US, who assisted them throughout the campaign (as this technology was unknown to them). This "gift" by the US to the Middle East has been in continuous use by the IDF since that time and was used in both Lebanon and Gaza.

My next report will cover and analyse the likely area of direct contamination as a result of using DU in Lebanon and Gaza. It will map out the extent and range of the contamination by using the US NOAA HYSPLIT Model. I will also create my own purpose built map of Europe and the Middle East showing how the DU aerosols from Lebanon and Gaza enter the atmosphere at various levels and follow them on their journey around the globe.

Peter Eyre Middle East Consultant 29th July 2009

 

 

 

 



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Nigel Lamb  - overwhelming scientific evidence that DU is not as   |94.196.15.xxx |2009-07-29 18:09:33
Another highly biased article from Peter, totally ignoring the overwhelming scientific evidence that
DU is not as hazardous as these activists claims. None of the UMRC data has been published in
peer-reviewed journals. You can play the conspiracy theory card as much as you like, but journals
would publish this information if it were reliable. The DUOB testing categorically proved there was
no evidence of DU exposure to Gulf War veterans, there is no such thing as a normal level, so you
can’t use concentration data. There has been no follow up to the dubious Lebanon sample, and there
has been no publication of any data for Gaza from Harwell. Harwell analyses the samples as
presented, but cannot verify their provenance. The UNEP assessment found no evidence of DU in
Lebanon.
Nigel Lamb  - Quite obviously people are surviving in these unin   |94.196.15.xxx |2009-07-29 18:20:31
The photographs do not relate to DU. Quite obviously people are surviving in these uninhabitable
areas. Busby rarely publishes his ‘research’, except in his own ‘journal’. He fails to
follow up sensationalist and poorly tested claims. His isotope argument makes no sense. DU dust is
more effective at drowning victims than as acting as a radiological weapon. DU was used in the
Balkans and in Iraq and there is no evidence that it has caused harm. Durakovic claimed that DU is
harmful in the amount of one atom on CNN, thus his scientific expertise is laughable. What Peter
won’t show on his hysplit model of the DU dust from weapons that there is no evidence of from Gaza
and Lebanon, is the natural transport of natural uranium in natural dusts that is proven to occur.
Nigel Lamb  - DU is not a substantial risk   |94.196.15.xxx |2009-07-29 18:21:16
Yes there are many of us that care about our planet, but DU is not a substantial risk, inciting more
violence with propaganda is not going to help any of us. Rokke is a dubious witness, a peripheral
character that exaggerates his expertise. Put DU and LLR in context and the risk is negligible.
Uranium is toxic and radioactive, but at the plausible levels of exposure from DU munitions, the
risks are minimal. Contrast that to the arguments made in Peter’s article, more one-sided
propaganda. No attempt to balance his heavily biased ‘reporting’, Surely it is unethical for a
‘newspaper’ to publish his drivel? ICBUW is an anti-DU campaign group that presents a
substantially more balanced assessment of DU than Peter’s inflammatory articles. But if you want
the truth look to the scientific literature, and countless reports that show this is not a
significant threat.
hp  - Come and have some, Nigel   |86.205.126.xxx |2009-08-04 19:38:29
and your wife and kids, and your littke dog, too.

DU not harmful? Let's have all the politicians in
place and all the coprorate top knobs of the miliplex have a special vacation, where they would be
bombed with DU and would subsequently have to live there.
Come on. Then you 'prove your
"scientfic" assertions.

DU is the nuclear industry waste, that in the eighties nobody knew
where to store....
Mulkurul   |208.106.47.xxx |2009-07-29 23:40:52
Nigel, you are beginning to sound like those apologists for the tobacco industry that fooled me back
in the 60's. You cite no reference to experimental or statistical data to support your contention
that at 'plausible levels'....'risks are minimal'. The ad hominem attack on Peter lends little
credibility to your assertions, and I believe it is beyond the competence of the P.T., or any other
non-scientific journal to independently verify the science being discussed here. Wether these
assertions are true or not remains to be seen. At least we are being notified that there is an issue
here. The French have a saying, " Quand il y a de doubt, il y a pas de doubt ". As long
as mankind insists on devising novel and extraordinary ways to kill and maim eachother, I'm in favor
of whatever impediments can be emplaced to thwart this end.
Nigel  - The difference is that there is a much greater dis   |94.196.178.xxx |2009-07-30 16:39:52
The difference is that there is a much greater disparity between the independent scientific
community and the claims of uninhabitable countries, conspiracy and genocide from the activist
groups, pseudo-scientists and self-proclaimed experts. If the anti-smoking lobby had claimed that my
house was uninhabitable because someone had smoked in there, I would ask for proof that someone had
smoked in there, and some coherent assessment of the risk. What we have is a house that was neither
smoked in, a known risk that I avoided because I do not smoke, a reality that third hand smoking is
a negligible risk. Some people chose to smoke and take that moderate risk. It was difficult to prove
a link for smoking because of confounding factors, and industry influence. What we have from the
anti-DU brigade are vastly exaggerated claims about risk, lack of context, unreliable statistics, no
attempt to consider other influences, unrealistic claims regardin...
Mulkurul   |208.106.47.xxx |2009-07-30 21:41:05
I think you slightly missed my analogy, perhaps it was not a good one. Although I have no direct
evidence, I find it most probable that D.U. was used in the countries being discussed in this
string. I do not need to go to the moon to 'know' that it is not made of green cheese.

Your
penultimate sentence is what interests me here; could it not equally well be said that the effects
of D.U.weaponry are difficult to prove because of confounding factors, and industry influence ?


It would also be helpful to know what your qualification in this area is. And I am dying to know
wether you actually do work for some clandestine governmental outfit of any flavor ! Do tell.
(trick question)
Nigel Lamb  - You can be as cynical as you like about government   |192.171.148.xxx |2009-08-03 14:42:09
It is possible some harm has been caused, but the fact that no evidence has been found after all
this time, and that is even before confounding factors have been considered, suggests that the
effects are subtle at best. The claims made in Peter’s articles are baseless, and so grossly
exaggerated beyond reality that they are deceitful. You should understand that DU is used in armour
piercing projectiles, which are effective against tanks. Therefore, there is no reason why DU
weapons should have been deployed in Gaza or Lebanon, and I reiterate no evidence. You can be as
cynical as you like about government and military conspiracies, but don’t let that push you over
to siding with activist group propaganda. Assess all your sources. For balance, look up some of
McDiamids papers, the DUOB report, The Royal Society Reports, the VA and IOM reports, the UNEP
post-conflict assessments. You’ll see that much credible research has been done an...
Miriam  - the question was"does anyone CARE?   |71.213.153.xxx |2009-07-29 23:47:05
Nigel...perhaps you are a physician or an envirronmental biologist? but returning US troops who were
exposed were bleeding every time they urinated..and when their tour ended and they returned home
they had to fight to be tested to find out what had happened to their kidneys...many of them...I
particularly remember reading about New York state Guard and Reserves...many of them were
"rescue" workers, firemen and police who volunteered back after 9-11...and they were given
no answers rather had to go to great effort and expense to be tested in Germany, I think it was.
that was in 2003. Then thre are the unmistakeable monstrous neonates either born alive or
stillborn...in great numbers, and the enormous increase in pediatric cancers, especially in areas
where lots of DU was used. Physician reports and medical journals reported huge increases in
cancers and other health abnormalities. Also, there was a parallel and signficant increa...
Nigel   |94.196.178.xxx |2009-07-30 16:47:02
Could you show me any robust data or anything but anecdotal evidence of any ill-health. Which
journals and physicians reports. Who is bleeding? Then give some argument as to why DU is connected
to these, and why no other cause should be considered. I’ll even accept probable cause. Just point
to some evidence. There has been ten years of this nonsense, and still nothing tangible.
David   |60.52.12.xxx |2009-07-30 00:16:40
I Can't believe this paper publishs 3 replys to this article by Nigel Lamb working for the Isreali
secret services!
This is a good article and the Lambs of the world do a great dis service to
humanity by trying to cover up the poisening of our planet, and now going on in Af/pak.
Nigel  - If you chose to make that baseless supposition   |94.196.178.xxx |2009-07-30 16:47:51
If you chose to make that baseless supposition, then it is no surprise that you side with Peter. If
you have any interest in the truth, I suggest you ask for some evidence, and assess your sources.
pam hardyment  - My own eyes   |94.194.209.xxx |2009-07-30 03:35:45
Those bombs on Gaza do not look like ordinary bombs, DU is such a subtle killer that you may not
know what its effects are in your lifetime Mr Lamb, go lie down with the sheeple
Nigel  - Peter is not claiming it to be a subtle killer   |94.196.178.xxx |2009-07-30 16:55:34
Well if they don’t look like normal bombs (the top 2 do, the third like a firework), then they
must be from DU, and they must be from Gaza! Peter is not claiming it to be a subtle killer, he is
talking about devastated and uninhabitable countries. So side with someone who exaggerates to the
extent of deceit, or look for some evidence.
john  - @Nigel   |92.225.71.xxx |2009-07-30 09:43:41
Wake up Nigel! In the end your money is worthless when your family die of cancer.
Nigel Lamb  - Another baseless supposition.   |94.196.86.xxx |2009-08-02 19:18:31
Another baseless supposition.
C. Davis  - save your breath   |75.105.128.xxx |2009-08-04 17:36:19
It seems obvious to me that this nigel person is nothing more than a well paid disinformation
operative whose assignment is attempting to assuage the righteous indignation boiling among the
untold thousands of unfortunates whose lives and lineages have been forever wrecked by the
inexorable demands for more profit for the military industrial complex. Any who doubt the toxicity
of the scourge of D.U.(classified as a poison gas weapon) I suggest you aquire the D.V.D.-Beyond
Treason which is a clear exposition of the issue.
Jousting with a trained operative tasked with
obviating a discussion is a waste of your opportunity to have a real discussion of the issue. Your
best course of action in this regard is to pray for the enlightenment of the defender of murderers
and to totally ignore him. Thank you.
Nigel Lamb   |94.196.39.xxx |2009-08-05 15:19:35
Or someone fed up with these charlatans hijacking the humanitarian suffering of others to further
their own agendas. Of course an activist produced dvd is going to be a reliable source of evidence
based information! In the old days propaganda was distributed as pamphlets, now as trustworthy
multimedia. You really ought to assess your sources, and make fewer assumptions about those that are
trying to help you.
babette   |209.195.71.xxx |2009-08-04 18:07:43
No time to waste on Agent Nigel. DU does not stay put and perhaps when he starts pissing blood
he'll reconsider.

Excellent article!

The US military are disposable. They are subjected to
batteries of questionable vaccines prior to their departure to pursue invasions for the empire. Some
actually don't even get to go to the killing fields of Iraq/Afgh/Pak due to serious illness
resulting from the "vaccines."

In addition, the military must themselves, eventually,
suffer the dire consequences resulting from their use of these illegal weapons on defenseless
others.

This is not new. Youtube "Soldiers Nuclear Test:
"The first explosion on this
film shows a 14 kt bomb airdropped, and US soldiers being hit by the shockwave when they stand up
after the device explodes."

The military have always been perfect guinea pigs. Kissinger
might be right, after all.

"Military men military are "dumb, stup...
marc   |209.195.111.xxx |2009-08-05 13:41:06
Kissinger:" Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign
policy."

He's a wanted war criminal many times over, yet he was almost allowed to head the
bogus 9-11 commission. HA!

The official 9-11 commission report is totally BOGUS anyway, but you
gotta give that slimebag Killer Kissinger points for unequalled "hutzpah" as his fellow
joooz would say.
Nigel Lamb   |94.196.39.xxx |2009-08-05 15:14:54
With prejudiced arguments like that we all might as well give up. I’ll see a medical doctor if I
ever start excreting blood. Sounds like an STD that antibiotics might treat!
Roxan  - Depleted Uranium plus other items conveniently ign   |98.207.54.xxx |2009-08-04 18:39:21
Thank you Peter for this article.

To me it's amazing that all these: "Green" groups,
Earth Justice/Day/Hour, Al Gore, etc are completely oblivious not only to-----Depleted Uranium {from
our perpetual wars}but also:
White Phosphorous
GM Terminator Seeds
Fluoridated water.

They
also completely ignore and subject these ill people either to complete silence from the Mainstream
Falsimedia or lies and character assasination:
1. Agent Orange.
2. Gulf War Syndrome.
3. MCS
(Multiple Chemical Sensivity).

If you hear anything at all from the Falsimedia other than their
silence, it will be their statement of: "There is nothing wrong with you. You have
Psychological Problems."

Swell, regarding MCS, it's funny how the Falsimedia NEVER mentions:
Martin Pall or that we might have difficient or missing detox enzymes such as (Paraoxenase and/or
Cholinesterace.....or there's something wrong with the blood-brain barri...
Nigel Lamb   |94.196.39.xxx |2009-08-05 15:12:08
It is a credit to those groups that they can assess and prioritise the true threats to our
environment. Perhaps you should trust their judgment on these issues. Even vocal campaign groups
like ICBUW doubt claims from Gaza, they don’t want to be stung again with misleading information
from charlatans.
Jason G. Edwards  - Geologist   |61.19.121.xxx |2009-08-04 22:06:05
California rivers concentrated radioactivity from the contaminated drainage basins. People there
had extra leukemia, cancers, diabetes. DU does the same. It lasts for hundreds of years, until the
new sediments bury it. Even then, erosion may uncover it.
Patrick Sullivan  - Criminal Industry   |67.41.242.xxx |2009-08-04 23:03:08
The nuclear industry was created to be used to destroy the human race in an all out general NUCLEAR
WAR.

It is working for the genocide of humanity.

The central bankers, who control the issue of
money, have done this as part of the plan to depopulate the earth, while they hide underground and
destroy us all.

Thousands of nuclear weapons with many sitting on hair trigger, while the
'Intelligence services' working for the central bankers set bombs off in England and America and
other target lands of the central bankers, to foster war and destruction and force the ordinary folk
into accepting eternal warfare.

The power to issue money is the "Organizing principle" of
an advanced society such as ours and this tool has been used to starve the general population into
accepting the criminal actions of the industrialists and finance elite, who are working the
scientific elite as if they are donkeys pulling a water mill..

First things...
babette   |209.195.71.xxx |2009-08-05 00:04:18
Cut us off in mid-stream, eh?

Fine!

Keep it up...the truth will out
nonetheless.

911=USrael
snooker  - The Truth   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-08-05 04:59:16
Nigel Lamb ridicules Asaf Durakovic for stating that one atom of uranium is harmful. In fact what
Dr. Durakovic said is the truth, confirmed by the National Academy of Science recently, that all
ionizing radiation is harmful.
Since folks asked Lamb whom he's working for and he could not
answer I think it is fine if we speculate on that one, inasmuch as he places so much value on
personality in his ad hominem attacks. To care about the planet, Lamb, one first must understand
the harm done by radiation and the role that decreasing natural radiation had in evolution.
Reversing the natural conditions by bringing uranium out of the ground and dispersing its radiation
in the biosphere via inhalable insoluble ceramic oxides is a sure plan to reverse evolution and
destroy the complex bonds of biology.
The truth of the matter is that a single particle of
DU 2.5 microns in diameter (a fortieth the diameter of a human hair) has 21...
Nigel Lamb  - Durakovic was wrong on at least two levels   |94.196.39.xxx |2009-08-05 15:06:22
Durakovic was wrong on at least two levels, and should either apologise for his mistake, or admit a
deficiency in his scientific literacy. One atom of uranium can be one of 4 natural and 2 synthetic
isotopes, most probably uranium-238, and with a higher probability of it being that if it came from
a collection of atoms with a depleted uranium isotope ratio than if direct from natural uranium
(where DU ultimately came from). It is nonsensical to describe one atom of depleted uranium. With
half-life of 4.5 billion years there is practically no chance one uranium-238 atom will decay during
your lifetime. If that one atom was added to the billions of atoms of natural uranium that you
naturally incorporated into your body, do you think that is in anyway significant? There is a
quantifiable risk, but is too low to be conceivably considered harmful. Radiation should be avoided,
but your natural environment is so variable in background radiation ...
snooker  - stop the misinfo Nigel   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-08-07 05:43:09
A single particle of DU only 2.5 microns diameter has 210 billion uranium atoms and emits 37 alpha
particles per year. Lodged in tissue it has a deadly biologic effect exceeding federal standards.
That is why the Pentagon tries to deflect awareness of the hazard of inhalation of DU smoke
particles, because it violates all regulations, laws, and international treaties and makes the
President and all Pentagon brass directly responsible for crimes against humanity.
People in
these battlefields are inhaling over 4000 such particles in one minute when there is one becquerel
above background, and in many cases in such contaminated areas the radiation counts are far above
that. Simply go look on the net to video of Iraq.
Nobody in their right mind would want
that, moron.
Nigel Lamb   |94.196.74.xxx |2009-08-08 15:37:23
For someone who has an anonymous screen name the phrase pot calling kettle black springs to mind.
But it is not about us, it is about honest debate. Your 2.5 μm particle is too big to be inhaled
into the deepest part of the lungs, you need to adjust for density, so 0.8 would be fairer. 1 alpha
decay per year, also with an exceedingly low probability of being emitted from the particle,
anything below about 20 nm from surface will be self-shielded. You just keep to your net video
sources, bet you can also find plenty of ‘proof’ of UFOs, faked moon landings, men on grassy
knolls, and all sorts of other conspiracies.
snooker  - no answer on who Nigel is   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-08-07 05:45:52
Gee Nigel for someone who attacks good and honest people who care about the world and have the balls
to call the Pentagon and Israel out, you sure do not have any courage yourself to tell us your own
credentials and who you are working for. Not that anyone would believe anything you said..
Durakovic was totally right and you discredit yourself immediately disputing simple science. All
ionizing radiation is harmful. Look it up.
Nigel Lamb   |94.196.74.xxx |2009-08-08 15:49:15
Well if all ionizing radiation is harmful we are all in trouble, you see you and I contain natural
uranium and radioactive potassium. Best stay clear of mineral water, bananas and Lo salt, they tick
away all the time. Then there’s the radon and other radionuclides. True we should avoid increasing
our exposure, but that little extra is not significant. Linear response no threshold is the
responsible precautionary assumption, but should we move people off granite and shale terrains, and
ban bananas too? You see our world is radioactive, and the levels are highly variable. You best wrap
your self in some old lead, but be careful that stuff is toxic and possibly mutagenic. You ever
smoked or driven a car? I’m just an honest scientist searching for the truth, what is your
background and motivations?
Jason G. Edwards  - transparency   |61.19.121.xxx |2009-08-05 21:45:07
One last reason to suspect wrongdoing is the lack of transparency. The way the media has been
prevented from honest access and opportunity to investigate and report is almost proof of the bad
agenda. It may be impossible to prove what they did was wrong, because open access to the bad
actions was prevented. Honest good people with right intentions gain trust and influence with open
honest access.
Nigel Lamb   |94.197.174.xxx |2009-08-06 19:31:26
DU is quite easy to detect, very difficult to hide. Dust from one of these bombed sites could be
tested for a few hundred dollars. No excuse for speculation.
Roxana   |98.207.54.xxx |2009-08-06 02:31:30
Oh, I also forgot to mention Chem Trails. Try mentioning them to any politicians or weather people
or the news. They will seldom acknowledge them.
Nigel Lamb   |94.197.174.xxx |2009-08-06 19:32:37
Sound like one of Bertells crack-pot theories to me, a bit silly when you put it into print.
babette   |209.195.120.xxx |2009-08-06 13:13:39
Hi Roxana,

Yes, Chemtrails and H.A.A.R.P.

"Founding Father 1776" is an excellent site
on Chemtrails.
Go to "What the hell are they spraying on us?" Parts 1, 2, 3.

I keep
trying to get the word out on those. I think they are possibly one of the greatest threats to
humanity.

911=USrael
Perdavid Nygren  - What is truth?   |92.33.174.xxx |2009-08-10 16:40:31
The Illuminati and their Satanists is ONE thing. People MUST separate the ordinary Jews, the yews
that knows as little as YOU and me!!! If you HATE the Yews and the Christians then YOU do what the
Illuminati WANTS!!! After the Christians and the Jews YOU are NEXT!!! This video is as BAD as the
mass-media!!!
Stop Chemtrails Killing Us All  - Great Journalism here   |202.7.199.xxx |2009-08-10 21:58:38
Excellent article, more must be done by writing articles about this and the effects, exposing the
futility and evil of war and the military industrial complex in how they develop these weapons and
the contribution to eugenics it manifests to curb populations.
babette   |209.195.79.xxx |2009-08-11 15:36:10
CHEMTRAILS, YOU IDIOTS! CHEMTRAILS!

911=USrael
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